and seriously, to insist that somehow this is not an insult, you wouldn't have the detroit black skins. that wouldn't be permitted. you wouldn't appreciate the san francisco yellow skins. it is meant as an insult that is based upon skin color. and really we should -- ultimately, they're going to change the name. we might as well do it cheerfully. >> doug williams was the first black quarterback to ever play in a super bowl and he's now the only black quarterback to ever win a super bowl. when i think about the heritage of the redskins, i can't go back to the '30s, i think of george allen, and doug williams, the only black quarterback to ever win a super bowl. modern history is what i care about, not what some guy did back in the '30s and what kind of person to you. >> final word to you, lz. >> it's very convenient to dismiss it in that way. no one is saying you should dismiss the franchise's history. but you're looking at where the name came from, and for you to marginalize that and jokingly talk about eliminating the jets, when we know there was genocide committed. and to have the cap